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C-4 removable tops both and frame flex question

From: "Wade Herod" <herod(at)wfeca.net>

Subject: C-4 removable tops both and frame flex question

Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:01:14 -0500

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Don`t know maybe this has been covered. Someone just recently said that the

removable top adds regiddity to the frame. My question. As I drive almost

exclusively with the tinted top, which is lighter and thinner therefore not

as strong as the solid top, does my frame flex more with that top than the

solid top? I would think that flexing, besides being a detriment to

handling, also speeds up the damage to the frame. After all they retire

commercial jets due to wearing out of the structural members etc.



Should I put the solid top back on?



Thanks for your thoughts, Wade in NW Florida










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From: PJ <pj4380(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: C-4 removable tops both and frame flex question

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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:13:09 -0700

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Wade Herod wrote:

> Don`t know maybe this has been covered. Someone just recently said that the

> removable top adds regiddity to the frame. My question. As I drive almost

> exclusively with the tinted top, which is lighter and thinner therefore not

> as strong as the solid top, does my frame flex more with that top than the

> solid top? I would think that flexing, besides being a detriment to

> handling, also speeds up the damage to the frame. After all they retire

> commercial jets due to wearing out of the structural members etc.

>

From a structural life viewpoint, I think it`s more a case of roof

panel or no roof panel. The plastic insert in the `solid` top might not

offer much more stiffness than does the `glass` panel. On the other

side of the coin, I do notice more top `flexing sounds` with the `glass`

top on the car. (this is even with a frame brace). I choose tops based

on the weather and how I want to the car to look -- strictly a "vanity

thing."



Take the top off and maneuver the car a bit--or drive down a road with a

little wave in the surface or pour the coal to it on a banked track.

Good lesson in frame flex and short period handling response --

particularly with the `soft ride` suspension.



The convertibles had a frame brace and some of us have added it to our

coupe. Good article in Corvette Fever a couple of months ago. Eckler`s

and Mid-America both sell those braces. It`s made the C4 `driveable`

with the top off. Dad tells a C4 handling story and may take exception

to this statement - >>:-0



I`d not worry about frame failure; although C4s definitely `loosen up`

as they age. Dad might observe that, "Jello doesn`t develop fatigue

cracks."



> Should I put the solid top back on?



Enjoy the car & don`t sweat fatigue -- add a frame brace if you`re

concerned.

>

> Thanks for your thoughts, Wade in NW Florida

>

>



--

PJ

`89 Hookercar `02 e-blu coupe






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From: Bob I <birelan1(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: C-4 removable tops both and frame flex question

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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:25:56 -0500

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It flexes when you have the top OUT, you still have the top frame bolted

in place. Commercial jets are aluminum, which will crack after repeated

flexing, sometimes catastrophically. You have a steel frame, on the

other hand the C6 ZO6 has an aluminum frame so you are unlikely to see

an engineer condone removing it`s top with an after market chop job.







Wade Herod wrote:

> Don`t know maybe this has been covered. Someone just recently said that the

> removable top adds regiddity to the frame. My question. As I drive almost

> exclusively with the tinted top, which is lighter and thinner therefore not

> as strong as the solid top, does my frame flex more with that top than the

> solid top? I would think that flexing, besides being a detriment to

> handling, also speeds up the damage to the frame. After all they retire

> commercial jets due to wearing out of the structural members etc.

>

> Should I put the solid top back on?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts, Wade in NW Florida

>

>








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Title: Propaganda of the Seed 12.5: Come Out!
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:32:31 +0000
Author: jpo

Yesterday we talked about coming out anarchist. But that isn’t the only secret we are keeping. All of us, every last anarchist on the planet, does something they know they shouldn’t. Be it network TV, McDonalds, or simply finding comfort in monogamy, we all take part in things which we know to be at the very least unnatural, and often harmful to our very being.

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